Tom: The other day I met with a child with obvious birth defects. As I held his hands, I wondered what else I might have done to right that situation.  Do you have any other comments?

Jessona: I assure you that evolutionary worlds are fraught with such occurrences as defects due to manifold
reasons. On a world like ours we are left with the default of the violet race at improving your genetics. You are powerless individually to right what appears to be a wrong. Your best focus is upon the soul of this individual, which has no defects whatsoever, for it is the construction of the Father as He complies with the will of that personality.

Assure yourself and even this individual that any object that comes in a package may come with a mar or a scar or a break in that package, but the item itself is as valuable as if the packaging were perfect. 

In your material world, as is understandable, you have the tendency to place a judgment on the way things or people look. It is understandable in your world of senses; it is something that sometimes interferes with your understanding of true compassion and true love. As has been stated already the soul of this child is perfect. Physical deformities, although they may seem unpleasant and uncomfortable to us, are not an indication of this person's status in any way. You must look beyond physical matter, to the more important aspect of the human being. Certainly this child is beloved in the sight of our Father; it is most preciously loved.

The sorrow, the discomfort, is in your perceptions, and it is understandable. But on an evolutionary world we need to accept physical deformities and imperfections as part of the evolutionary development, but, as concerns matter, it has no import on the soul of an individual.

You, on the other hand, you have your desire to want to see this child in a more functioning body. It is you who are in need of the compassion. It is you who benefited from this child's presence. It was a gift given to you.

It is unfortunate that as a result of the rebellion long ago certain social patterns have developed on Earth that have glorified indolence and encouraged those who have no or very little spiritual striving to reproduce in large numbers. You do not help the situation on this planet by supporting such beings materially so that they can continue to reproduce and cause an even larger problem in the future.

There will come a time when this enormous problem will have to be dealt with directly. The time is not far off, and it will not be easy.

Question: Rayson, are you saying that, in the view of both yourself and those involved in the teaching
mission, and perhaps higher up the celestial hierarchy, Earth is viewed as severely overpopulated?

Answer: Not in terms of numbers, but in terms of beings of low evolution.

Question: Genetic stock?

Answer: All of the genetic stock that you require to attain Light and Life status is present on Earth now. But
there have been some unwise decisions allowing unchecked propagation of base stocks.

Question: So do you refer to more of a genetic retardation, or social retardation in terms of spiritual,
evolutionary growth?

Answer: Both. But not to a crippling extent, or better stated, it is not something that cannot be reversed.

Question: And this definitely is understood by those in power in terms of our physical government.

Answer: Yes. Remember that Lucifer and Caligastia promoted the notion of total independence from the
spirit leadings of God's messengers on this planet. Had this not occurred, this situation would not exist
presently.

Student: Now I understand the boundaries, the proper, healthy psychological or the psycho-spiritual boundaries. We should not cross the line into pity and empowering. 

Question: What is the solution to this overall problem? How can we get the people who are unproductive and not working and so forth to become productive spiritual citizens?

Answer: Well, a quick answer is this. One can never compel another Godward - that is a personal decision. However, an animal will do what it must do to eat. If it must stand in a line at a building to get a handout, it will. If it must work in a field, it will. If it must study in a school, it will. If you deal with those who abase themselves to the level of animal behavior, it is unfortunate but you must deal with them as with animals. Animals are driven by the desire for food, the desire for reproduction, and the desire for survival. Those are your keys. If animals are allowed to reproduce in an unchecked fashion, they will do so, particularly when they are well-nourished and do not need to work.

Question: I wasn't clear about the next step that you said had to be taken on this earth before we reach Light and Life status. Could you explain that a little further?

Answer: Certainly. Many things must be done before this planet will be ready for the entry into Light
and Life status. But a critical step that cannot be gotten around is the business of eliminating from the human stocks those who heed not the Thought Adjuster and lead iniquitous lives. Until this is done, there will be enormous impediments to spiritual progress on this planet.

Question: That would seem to be looking at the characteristic of refusing to follow Father's will as something that could be handed down through a family line. Is this what you're saying? Or are you saying that we must wait for all of those people to die off? Not to eliminate them from human stock? Doesn't this indicate a genealogical thing?

Answer: Yes, there is a genetic correlate, and certainly there is a freewill choice correlate that is passed on
from parent to child in family learning which must be eliminated.

Question: So that if a child in adulthood chose to exercise the right choices and to teach his children to
exercise the right choices that would, in effect, have eliminated from that particular stock the flaw that
the generations ahead of him had built into their family life.

Answer: Yes, but when a culture allows the unchecked propagation of those who have no regard for the
promptings of the Adjuster, there is a very deleterious effect on the spiritual life and progress of the beings in that culture. Those who have faith on a planet where there is relatively little contact with the universe beyond the planet - can be fragile in faith and easily discouraged by real material success of iniquitous beings among them. This is not to say that faith will be broken, but spiritual growth will be subdued compared to what might otherwise occur. 

Question: That helps, but then I'm wondering if we should be helping those who are not now spiritually inclined to become spiritually inclined? Or are we supposed to be working for laws to limit the reproduction of those who generation after generation have taken this other tack?

Rayson: What do you think?

Student:  Well, it sounds like we've got a job that's really going to raise a few resistances, I would say.

Answer: Perhaps that is a good indicator that you are headed in the right direction. I cannot tell you to do
such a thing, and yet I must encourage you to follow your mind in this way.

Question: In other words, you can't tell us to do it, but you're not going to tell us not to either, are you?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Concerning the weeding out, the breeding out of criminals in society, I recall a paper in the
Urantia Book, paper 72, called Government on a Neighboring Planet, which describes how they're dealing with crime on a nearby planet that also participated in the rebellion. It says that they've been breeding out criminals for well over 100 years now and they've been getting results from that. But it seems that it's a really tricky thing morally for society to start making those sorts of segregations and decisions with regard to breeding and freewill choice for those beings. I was just wondering if you could comment a little bit more on that.

Answer: Yes, it's a move that requires enormous courage and continual reassessment and discussion in
order to avoid tragic misconstruction of the purpose of such a program.

Question: As you say, the Father's love is so great that we always have a choice, and there are people who
may lead iniquitous lives for a period of time and redeem themselves and ask for forgiveness and continue the rest of their lives trying to be better and trying to do good. And it just gets really tricky with decisions to make about extermination. Do you agree with this?

Rayson: Yes. Specific instructions were given early in the life of this planet and much was lost as a result
of the rebellion. 

Question: So you're saying that that specific information about how to handle this problem, it was here and
now it's not, and you're trying to decide whether we should have that specific information again?

Answer: The information was here, and it will be here again. The timing has not yet been determined,
however.

Question: With regard to this cleansing of the races, it leaves itself open to a great risk if fanatics try to
impose one religious thought and say “this is the truth” with only limited human understanding, then try
to eliminate all those who disagree with them - or to make it impossible for them to continue their breeding stock.

Answer: Yes, that is very true. Such a step could lead to much tragedy and could plunge Earth into a dark period as has occurred previously in its history, but we believe that Earth is at the edge of a new age and is ready to implement such changes appropriately.

Question: I have another comment on that. In viewing the media, and how entertainment and news reflect
violence and negative energy - you see so much of it on the news, all the situations, all over the world
things are happening, just evil sorts of things. In a lot of ways, from my perspective, it seems like things
are getting worse. Is that your perception of it in certain ways, or from your global perspective or planetary perspective are things getting better?

Answer: One of your scholars once commented that good news never makes headlines. The inditing of the
Urantia Book and the presence of this teaching mission have occurred because of the gradual and slow
progress that has occurred on Earth in a positive direction. Yes, you may have more awareness of
sinful acts than you once did, and this may be true on a worldwide basis due to enhanced communications, but it is not that long ago in your history that a man could easily be hung because of his color, and that does not occur today.

Question: So as it's getting worse, it's getting better, I suppose, a different kind of thing, sort of, experience
we're dealing with on a multigenerational scale.

Answer: As the circuits have opened and the energy has been upstepped, the eyes of many are opening as
if after a long sleep. Awakening is not always a pleasant experience, but it is far better than slumbering on indefinitely, is it not? It was Lucifer's intent to promote the long sleep of indifference and self-concern. This is finally falling away, and slowly but surely altruism is emerging.

Question: In western culture now we have the capacity to keep many people alive into advanced age. This
means that we see a fairly high percentage, compared to past ages, of persons who develop dementing
diseases, particularly Altzheimers disease and (multi?? infarct dementia?). In these disorders there's generally disease of the frontal and prefrontal areas, and one sees clinically disintegration of the personality as well as loss of capacity for self maintenance. Now there's a very great moral dilemma
developing in western medicine presently about - is it right to keep such people alive? Because the expense of keeping them alive is very very high. There is much grief in the family as these people become further and further detached from family and friends and reality. And these people seem to have much fear, much pain, and much illness in general. I wonder if you could comment on this, and - if you are allowed - if you could comment on how this would be handled on another world such as the one that you come from?

Answer: In the cases where the deterioration is in the prefrontal lobe it is my opinion that the Adjuster has
left. What is alive is a physical body. As for the ethics of maintaining life, it is irrelevant spiritually one way or another.

In terms of my world we had in place a spiritualized and accepted ritual for graduation when the physical was an impediment to the spiritual soul growth, which is, of course, the only eternal reality. When the mechanism housing the soul-Adjuster no longer functioned, it was not of any consequence to terminate life. In fact, it was a cause of celebration, being The FATHER's will that the soul move on to the next growth level.

You down here have much more irrational and emotional reactions to this practice since - as a world - you do not truly understand what life is, and define it solely in terms of the physical. Now, some day on your planet things will even out.

As you grow as a world spiritually, you will learn to temper life extension with actual life growth of the soul. And many diseases will be eliminated which interfere with the mind-soul connection. Until that time this topic will be reacted to irrationally and I can only pray for your enlightenment as a world culture since many mortals suffer needlessly, and suffer delays in their universe career because of the mere sentiment, which is attached to the material body.

Question: I read about a man in this country who is on trial for murder, a physician, who attempted to help
such a demented person to graduate, and it hurts me every time I read it, but it seems to be at present an
insoluble problem in our culture.

Answer: Also, one must abide by the legal system one lives under, no mater however primitive.

Student: My friend and I both ingested a plant called Ayahuasca, actually Nicolette had an experience also with a different plant. We both ingested the juice of two plants used by Shamans in South America in the Brazilian jungle. This triggered a very powerful experience for both of us. For me, I felt a great surge of energy moving through my body for one of the effects of this. I felt it was opening my chakras and I was experience life more fully. You talk about the surge, the desire and making your own decision of accepting you are part of God, but we also did use this plant. What would your perspective be on using plants such as this?

 JarEl: In a round about way, I would like to say that all of life's experience is somewhat based upon plants in terms of it's consciousness, its ability to bring sunlight into your body chemistry. It's ability to alter the chemistry of your body, food for example. Almost all mental thought and shift within the body is chemical. On some level it is cellular which is particularly chemical and encoded in the DNA sequencing within your own particular genetic inheritance, so it is not unlikely that certain substances induce certain states and certain moments and predisposition's to certain awareness' within yourself.

Don't mistake the ability of the plant and its chemistry to bring you to a place where you can then consciously make these shifts within your own mind. It is only because you have prepared yourself to make these shifts that they happen. The only thing that the chemistry does that it is more pronounced in its ability to possibly bring you into a greater focus on this. I guess what I am trying to distinguish is how much is you and how much is the plant although there is a relationship there. A person who eats very poor food
and has very poor nutrition is not going to be mentally sharp and alert. Also, just because you eat the best foods and have the best lifestyle doesn't mean necessarily that you are going to be the greatest person.

What I am saying is that one does not necessary qualify the other. They can both be symbiotic.  And, from what you have described, you have had a fortuitous experience.

Student: Well, more than that because both of us had set a certain intent before we ingested the plant. We had different experiences that were in line with that intent that we had set up. So that does fit in with what
you're saying, is that the plant simply sets the stage.

JarEl: Yes, that you had already set up the intention and it enhanced the intention, it helped focus the intention. This is why one must be cautioned to the use of certain artificial stimulants. Though they
momentarily bring you into realms of awareness, your ability to walk the same awareness without the dimension of the plant substance brings it into a different dimension and it brings you closer to a greater ability to connect truer with the essence which dwells within you. The mind of God is much greater than any plant chemistry. It is much greater than any altering. But, there is a humbling shall we say, of the mind and
the self's ability to, in a sense crawl to this presence, to humble ourselves in the awesome and subtle dynamic of that which is the presence of God within the heart and mind of the individual. To be able to bring yourself to God in God's presence is quite powerful and quite profound. All of a sudden one day, you realize He is there, that this Spirit truly is within and you actually contact the essence of this presence within yourself. You may have this same practice continually everyday for a long time and one day something shifts because the presence is quite subtle. Do not underestimate the practice of meditation and breathing in your ability to contact this presence. Just because it give you first real access, give it some time and this
will develop for you.